Sorry for the delay after my promise to compliment and tease expats in Hanoi. I’m sure it’s a high priority for all of you. It’s only appropriate to write about expats being weird after all the ranting I’ve done about how weird Vietnam is. I’m sure I’m overusing the adjective “weird” but it’ll do. First a brief disclaimer: As an expat myself, I’ve been guilty of doing nearly everything that I’m about to write about. I’m in no way above any of this. I write from a place of camaraderie, even when I’m writing about things that are less than flattering. I tried to get some Vietnamese locals to give their own insight about how weird we are, but they were much too polite to do that (You’re asking me to insult you to your face, Sarah? No no).
Unlikely friends – A fabulous thing about expats is that they usually seem to be pretty open to making new friends and trying new things. It sucks when half of your social group goes home or to a new country, but there’s always a new batch of friendly faces to replace them (but alas, never in your heart, wistful sigh). They also tend to be a mixed bag, from different countries and backgrounds and walks of life. Groups of friends tend to be fairly eclectic overall, and not always groups that probably would’ve formed naturally back home. I think this is in part due to the fact that we don’t have the same sort of group reference points. The usual cliques don’t hold as much sway here. This isn’t entirely true since of course like-minded people do find each other and their regular spots around the city, so it’s not that much different, but different enough. I’ve made a lot of unlikely friends with whom I may never have crossed paths at home.
My attempt to generalize expats is pretty silly given the variety of people who come to live here, so take everything I write with a grain of salt, as usual. You meet all kinds, many with a lot of cool stories and interesting lives. Some seem to be here due to an adventurous spirit or an interest in Asia, while I imagine others are social outcasts at home and find refuge in a country where they aren’t judged in the same manner and can actually find a date or job (but here I am judging them anyway, tisk tisk). Sometimes it’s as simple as job security, especially in these financially troubling times. One thing I enjoy about meeting people here, though, is the fact that they seem to be taken out of context to a degree, allowing for fewer preconceived notions. It’s slightly harder to put people into familiar boxes – until you reconstruct new boxes, that is.
But onto the more trivial side of expat life…
Dealings with the Foreigner Tax – Expats by and large are overpaid by Vietnamese standards. A decent salary in Hanoi is somewhere between $250-400/month from what I’ve heard. Most expats get paid a lot more than that. Even if their salaries would be considered laughable back home, they’re rich in Vietnam. Others would be considered rich no matter where they live, but I suppose they’re super extra rich in Vietnam. Despite being well-to-do in a cheap country, expats feel a constant pang of frustration from being consistently ripped off. Basically, although being paid well beyond what a local person gets, they become outraged at being charged twice the local price on whatever it may be – purses, shoes, books, taxi rides, fruit, postcards, whatever. It’s not unheard of to see an expat get into a shouting match with a banana lady who wants to sell him or her bananas at $1 more than the going price. Sometimes these expats even work for humanitarian or development-oriented NGOs. Yeah, it’s… err…funny. That’s an extreme example, but it’s true that foreigners will waste a lot of time and effort trying to bargain down a few cents or a few bucks. I know it’s the way of Vietnam as bargaining is part of shopping, but sometimes you have to take a step back and realize that perhaps you don’t need the dollar that badly.
In defense – Because expats are charged more for many, many things most of the time and are usually well aware of this fact, the bargaining game gets to be tiresome. I’ve been witness to and participant of extensive and obsessive conversations about how much something should cost, how much it did cost, and the human rights infractions that occurred during a mundane monetary transaction. The consistency of it makes it so that people start obsessing over money and before you know it, you’re yelling about bananas. Or trying to bargain down a nice old lady who’s actually quoting you the regular price. I believe that the anger involved stems much more from feeling taken advantage of as opposed to the money itself. No one likes feeling like a fool, and let’s face it, if you pay $10 for something that was worth $3, you’re kind of a fool. Or not? Should we pay more because we make more? Regardless of the answer to that question, I’ll never feel comfortable arguing over a few bucks. I’m impressed with my friends who do it successfully.
Whine whine – I know that people like to complain everywhere, and I’m no exception, but bitch sessions take on a special kind of intensity among foreigners in Hanoi. Just walk up to a group of white people, say “traffic” and stand back to witness the frenzy and rage-filled speeches. It’s like a competitive sport as people try to outdo each other with their stories of discomfort and woe. If Hanoi sucks so much, why are they all here? Don’t let the whininess fool you, though. Most expats are equally capable of flattering Hanoi with declarations of love if prompted.
Brushes with Alcoholism – Maybe it’s the 25 cent price tag on bia hoi, but expats like their alcohol. A lot. If you plan on moving to Hanoi, start honing your shot-taking skills. And remember that driving a motorbike drunk isn’t the smartest move.
Minsk Fetish – What is it with Minsk motorbikes? Expats are drawn to Minsks like hipsters are to Vespas. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Vietnamese person on one in Hanoi. The things are loud, unruly, pollution-prone and they break down all the time from what I hear. “They have more power for long distances,” is a common explanation. Yes, but how often do you leave Hanoi, and can’t you just rent one for those occasions? My wimpy Honda Wave rental managed to climb a mountain, or crawl up it at least, and it runs perfectly despite my inept handling and care of it. I think a lot of people get Minsks because they seem to be either cooler or more manly than the typical scooter in Hanoi. Not that there’s a problem with getting a bike because it looks cool. You can probably find a better explanation here.
Expat Hierarchy – I’ve written about a sort of expat hierarchy that exists where you earn more points for your length of stay, job, level of Vietnamese language skills, and knowledge of Vietnamese culture. From what I can tell, the hierarchy runs something like this from bottom to top: tourists, backpackers, long-term backpackers, English teachers, NGO workers/volunteers, small businessman/self-employed people (photographers, travel writers and the like), and then maybe diplomats. At least, this is what I’ve gathered from interweb forums, blogs and the like. People are mean on the internet, though. It’s funny how people like to make fun of backpackers, but then they are backpackers when they visit other countries. I remember someone making some snarky comment about me being a backpacker when I was walking through Vientiane, Laos. Should I have shown them my Vietnam expat membership card to prove my credibility and proper place on the foreigner hierarchy? Yeah, you’re so cool because you live in Laos – what an achievement that is. Douchebaggery.
Something Old, Something New – Expats are weird in the sense that they presumably moved to a foreign country to experience something new, but once there, they cling to familiar Western style places and food. I nearly shat my pants with excitement when I discovered that Puku added a burrito to their menu. A silly, but understandable tendency.
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I’m sure there’s a lot of expat weirdness I’m forgetting, so feel free to add to the list if you want to. I didn’t intend for it to be an expat-bashing entry, but it’s meant to be light-hearted teasing. I honestly like most of the expats I meet and have enjoyed running around with them over the last 2 years. So much so that the new hubby and I have decided to stay for another year after promises of running away. Hanoi seems to do that to people. A plan to visit for a few months often turns into a multiple year stay. Our Vietnamese love affair isn’t quite finished yet, and coming back after being gone for 6 weeks has only intensified it. So if you love - or love to hate - my Vietnam-related musings, lucky you.



Interesting thoughts. I’ve been an expat myself (in Korea) and drawn the ire of expats in Vietnam (for hating Vietnam), and they can be a weird bunch. I absolutely agree that people who think they’re oh-so-wordly for living in a foreign country are insufferable douchebags. Unfortunately it seems to be even more common amongst backpackers.
As fo Minsks… yeah, it really is because they’re manlier than scooters. In Vietnam they’re OK because they’re so common, but back home, well, scooters are girly. I don’t remember ever seeing a female Westerner driving a Minsk – chalk it up to male insecurity!
Yeah, expats here can be protective of Vietnam. I honestly think it’s easier to live here than travel here. I’ve met travelers who can list a string of bad experiences they’ve had over the last week (“First, the taxi tried to take us to the wrong hotel and charged us $40, then we rode on a motorbike and crashed into another motorbike, then we got scammed on a bus ride to Halong Bay, then we drank some beer and had diarrhea for 10 days, etc.”) Then others seem to fall in love with Hanoi immediately. I think it can really go either way. And I agree that it is kind of a weird group overall. Most of the people I’ve met are lovely, but there is a fair share of creepsters and assholes. Perhaps this is true everywhere.
What about the tendency amongst expat men to date girls who can barely communicate with them? On one level it is weird, on another level…
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After living in S. Korea for three years and Honduras for two years, I always found two types of expats the most “weird”: a) Those that refused to spend time with anyone besides the locals (i.e. Koreans & Hondurans) typically because of some strange belief that moving to another country meant that you must try and deny where you actually came from, and b) Those that refused to spend time with the locals and chose to only socialize with those from their own countries (also only eat at western restaurants, go to the western neighborhoods ala Itaewon in Korea, etc).
The pretension in type ‘a’ always bothered me. The clichés and stereotypes that type ‘b’ always exemplified never sat well with me either.
Yep, both of those types are weird in their own special way. I’ve tried to write a little about these types before, although expats are a sensitive bunch and easy to offend. It’s good to try to find a sort of balance between a and b, which is probably best done by not over-thinking it.
I live in Laos and the expats are weird here too. A lot are snobby and the unstated hierachy exists. A lot of them are just rejects from their homne countries who can’t make it back home. The English teachers are intolerable douches.
Anyways, it was a interesting living here, but I’ve landed a good professional job back home in the West and I’m looking forward to clean air (yes! no more burning garbage), sane traffic and the freedom to tell my government to its face to fuck off. And all they can say is have a nice day.
Well, good to know it’s not just in Vietnam. I guess? Good luck with the new job back home! You’ll miss the traffic, though. It’s thrilling to never know if you’ll survive the drive to work.
Love your expat hierarchy list.
Great post, I guess things don’t change much from Hanoi to Saigon.
haha, I have to send a few dozen kudos your way Sarah. I’ve been wanting to put my thoughts into words and you’ve seemed to do a pretty bangin job of that here.
Was hangin on the 5th floor of 9 Ma May the other day and boy, around 9-10, huge white guys have their shirts off, a few of them even their pants. And the girls were cussing at each other in their native language.
I think expats are just people who ran away from their problems in their home countries, like somehow leaving Europe meant you physically left your depression/problems behind. Most of the expats here come together in a pot of hot mess haha.
PS: short term backpackers are still tourists. People who live within a culture that is not their own, long term backpackers orrrr working professionals would be considered expats. We should hang sometime. I have too much time on my hands.
Hey Mimi,
Ma May is probably the best drunken foreigner viewing outpost in the city. One time I came across an incredibly drunk guy, who stumbled down the street while his friends laughed at him. Feeling some weird level of responsibility for “my kind” I chased after him and tried to lure him back to the bar where we could hopefully figure out his hotel address. He ended up lying down on the street for a nap. I had to do some serious guilt-tripping and whining at his friends to get them to care enough to escort him to his hotel. It was one-part hilarious, one-part mortifying. I imagine that people assumed he was my boyfriend. Oi!
Anyway, I’m always up for meeting new people, so I’ll send you an email soon. Full-disclosure: I’m around the medium-to-low level of the expat hierarchy.
meh, it’s fine lol.
I think I’d be considered pretty high on the expat food chain. Most likely because I’m more TCK than expat and I’m one of the rare chances expats think (I’m waiting for my man to come ;>) they have of sleeping with a “local” haha
I’ve only seem to gotten along with two expats since I’ve been back, one’s 34 and the other is 57 haha
To generalize, Expats seem a lot like they do here in Taiwan (i’m studying abroad), and Vietnamese also seem a lot like Taiwanese (again, generalization).
A thing I feel is that, whether an Expat thinks so or not, it’s hard to be away from home. to take the theme from Plato, we are our homes. To be ripped away from your home and go somewhere so different is very difficult, so Expats end up doing all of the weird things they do. I also feel it’s why so many of them take up new hobbies either in the good direction (hiking, swimming, some sort of sports, studying hard) or the bad direction (drinking); you need something to help you feel yourself again, and also to keep you busy.
Yep, we must cling to our identities. Or invent new ones.